There was no ill will intended on my part.  Your defensiveness was the ill will.  I was merrily trying to point out that your attack on the commercial poultry industry, whether you were talking about meat-egg production or hatchery operations was a two sided issue.  I am sorry that you cannot see that there are two sides to the issue.  Those industries do have their problems, but would cease to exist if put under your domain. If I, and other exhibitors, had to follow your thoughts on incubation, the hobby would be dead in short time, and pure bred poultry would cease to exist.  Most all exhibitors/breeders, including  use incubators to incubate their eggs, and mechanical/electrical brooders to get them started. As  said, I have made the statement on this board that both sides of an issue have a place here, and that your point of view, or mine, is not the only point.  What got me going was your attack on the commercial (I now have no contacts in that industry) industry and the belittling of those who do not see the world through your eyes.